1 00:00:36,549 --> 00:00:24,060 [Music] 2 00:00:36,559 --> 00:00:40,069 what's up everybody 3 00:00:40,079 --> 00:00:48,150 how's it going 4 00:00:53,430 --> 00:00:50,950 can you guys hear me okay 5 00:00:54,549 --> 00:00:53,440 i hope you can hear me okay 6 00:00:56,110 --> 00:00:54,559 let me know i'm trying something a 7 00:00:59,189 --> 00:00:56,120 little bit different 8 00:01:02,389 --> 00:00:59,199 [Music] 9 00:01:07,830 --> 00:01:04,630 robert 10 00:01:12,950 --> 00:01:09,830 thanks for joining 11 00:01:16,390 --> 00:01:12,960 i do appreciate it uh we're gonna get 12 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:20,390 pretty interesting stuff today 13 00:01:26,630 --> 00:01:24,870 some material analysis 14 00:01:28,550 --> 00:01:26,640 um you know 15 00:01:30,069 --> 00:01:28,560 if you guys have heard of uh mr gary 16 00:01:32,550 --> 00:01:30,079 nolan 17 00:01:34,789 --> 00:01:32,560 who just joined the galileo project by 18 00:01:36,230 --> 00:01:34,799 the way which is pretty cool 19 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:36,240 um 20 00:01:43,109 --> 00:01:40,090 he's been testing some fragments 21 00:01:46,069 --> 00:01:43,119 [Music] 22 00:01:49,190 --> 00:01:46,079 so and it seems like for the most part 23 00:01:51,990 --> 00:01:49,200 this stuff is like magnesium 24 00:01:54,230 --> 00:01:52,000 and bismuth and 25 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:54,240 might be 26 00:01:57,270 --> 00:01:56,090 slag metal slag 27 00:01:58,550 --> 00:01:57,280 [Music] 28 00:02:00,100 --> 00:01:58,560 apparently 29 00:02:01,670 --> 00:02:00,110 um but you know 30 00:02:03,910 --> 00:02:01,680 [Music] 31 00:02:05,670 --> 00:02:03,920 who's to say i guess right 32 00:02:07,590 --> 00:02:05,680 i think he'll say when the time is right 33 00:02:09,190 --> 00:02:07,600 but that brings me to something that 34 00:02:11,190 --> 00:02:09,200 i've noticed 35 00:02:14,309 --> 00:02:11,200 um 36 00:02:16,150 --> 00:02:14,319 in doing some research 37 00:02:17,990 --> 00:02:16,160 you know going through blue book files 38 00:02:20,150 --> 00:02:18,000 like i do 39 00:02:23,510 --> 00:02:20,160 and it has to do with something called 40 00:02:24,790 --> 00:02:23,520 project white stork 41 00:02:26,470 --> 00:02:24,800 um 42 00:02:28,229 --> 00:02:26,480 project white stork is pretty 43 00:02:31,190 --> 00:02:28,239 interesting 44 00:02:33,190 --> 00:02:31,200 there's also a project stork 45 00:02:35,190 --> 00:02:33,200 which is pretty interesting too 46 00:02:36,790 --> 00:02:35,200 and i haven't determined if those are 47 00:02:38,869 --> 00:02:36,800 the same but they probably are because 48 00:02:41,350 --> 00:02:38,879 they're both running by the same company 49 00:02:43,270 --> 00:02:41,360 it seemed like um it started with 50 00:02:44,710 --> 00:02:43,280 project stork stork was like the first 51 00:02:47,030 --> 00:02:44,720 ibm 52 00:02:50,710 --> 00:02:47,040 um like computerized system where they 53 00:02:53,030 --> 00:02:50,720 put the ufo reports into basically like 54 00:02:54,470 --> 00:02:53,040 the color of it the shape of it 55 00:02:55,990 --> 00:02:54,480 um 56 00:02:57,830 --> 00:02:56,000 you know the maneuvers it made the kind 57 00:03:00,550 --> 00:02:57,840 of witness and all that stuff and they'd 58 00:03:02,550 --> 00:03:00,560 they'd put it into 59 00:03:05,350 --> 00:03:02,560 um 60 00:03:07,110 --> 00:03:05,360 they put it into this ibm like computer 61 00:03:09,030 --> 00:03:07,120 system to try to find like patterns and 62 00:03:11,750 --> 00:03:09,040 all that kind of stuff 63 00:03:15,350 --> 00:03:12,630 you know 64 00:03:17,190 --> 00:03:15,360 apparently they didn't find any 65 00:03:18,550 --> 00:03:17,200 but 66 00:03:20,790 --> 00:03:18,560 um that's not what this show is about 67 00:03:22,949 --> 00:03:20,800 this [\h__\h] yeah punch cards basically is 68 00:03:24,550 --> 00:03:22,959 what they are 69 00:03:25,910 --> 00:03:24,560 robert is right 70 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:25,920 definitely 71 00:03:29,670 --> 00:03:28,090 um so for this 72 00:03:31,430 --> 00:03:29,680 [Music] 73 00:03:32,070 --> 00:03:31,440 off the beamer clubhouse you got that 74 00:03:35,990 --> 00:03:32,080 right yep 75 00:03:38,869 --> 00:03:37,350 um 76 00:03:41,589 --> 00:03:38,879 so yeah so it's pretty interesting 77 00:03:43,350 --> 00:03:41,599 because project white stork is 78 00:03:44,550 --> 00:03:43,360 so like i said ran by the same company 79 00:03:47,670 --> 00:03:44,560 but 80 00:03:48,949 --> 00:03:47,680 they did a whole lot of different stuff 81 00:03:53,990 --> 00:03:48,959 for 82 00:03:57,429 --> 00:03:54,000 um atec atic out of um 83 00:03:58,869 --> 00:03:57,439 ohio and wright patterson air force base 84 00:04:01,429 --> 00:03:58,879 so 85 00:04:03,030 --> 00:04:01,439 it's pretty 86 00:04:04,949 --> 00:04:03,040 pretty good stuff so 87 00:04:07,509 --> 00:04:04,959 the first thing i'll just kind of show 88 00:04:10,869 --> 00:04:07,519 you is 89 00:04:15,350 --> 00:04:12,630 they did the material analysis but they 90 00:04:18,310 --> 00:04:15,360 also did other stuff like i said so 91 00:04:22,150 --> 00:04:18,320 the other stuff that they do 92 00:04:24,860 --> 00:04:22,160 is very very interesting too 93 00:04:28,230 --> 00:04:24,870 of course 94 00:04:38,790 --> 00:04:28,240 [Music] 95 00:04:45,189 --> 00:04:40,469 if the music is too loud just let me 96 00:04:45,199 --> 00:04:51,110 so this here project white store 97 00:04:55,909 --> 00:04:52,870 pretty interesting here project white 98 00:04:58,390 --> 00:04:55,919 store task response a survey of recent 99 00:05:01,670 --> 00:04:58,400 uh soviet literature on the problem of 100 00:05:03,990 --> 00:05:01,680 contact with extraterrestrials 101 00:05:04,790 --> 00:05:04,000 so this is pretty great so 102 00:05:07,029 --> 00:05:04,800 uh 103 00:05:09,350 --> 00:05:07,039 the soviet union in the time 104 00:05:11,029 --> 00:05:09,360 well i don't know if they still do but 105 00:05:12,870 --> 00:05:11,039 they did a lot of work in trying to 106 00:05:14,390 --> 00:05:12,880 contact extraterrestrials and what that 107 00:05:17,029 --> 00:05:14,400 would look like 108 00:05:20,230 --> 00:05:17,039 well project white stork did a whole 109 00:05:22,230 --> 00:05:20,240 rundown on what that looked like and if 110 00:05:26,150 --> 00:05:22,240 you follow me on social you may have 111 00:05:29,909 --> 00:05:26,160 seen this before um 112 00:05:32,710 --> 00:05:29,919 and you know yeah look at that 1967 very 113 00:05:33,670 --> 00:05:32,720 interesting 1967. 114 00:05:35,590 --> 00:05:33,680 um 115 00:05:37,830 --> 00:05:35,600 that means a couple of things 116 00:05:39,830 --> 00:05:37,840 one of the things it means is how long 117 00:05:44,870 --> 00:05:39,840 this company runs project white stork 118 00:05:48,950 --> 00:05:46,710 also known as project blue book sign and 119 00:05:52,070 --> 00:05:48,960 grudge 120 00:05:57,990 --> 00:05:55,510 and that's just about the time 121 00:06:00,150 --> 00:05:58,000 right before basically uh the university 122 00:06:02,390 --> 00:06:00,160 of colorado or maybe during even the 123 00:06:06,629 --> 00:06:02,400 university of colorado and the condom 124 00:06:11,510 --> 00:06:08,710 you know a couple years later in 1969 125 00:06:13,430 --> 00:06:11,520 they put an official end 126 00:06:15,029 --> 00:06:13,440 to a blue book 127 00:06:16,309 --> 00:06:15,039 so i'm going all the way up at the top 128 00:06:18,629 --> 00:06:16,319 so you can see what this is foreign 129 00:06:19,790 --> 00:06:18,639 technology division soviet effort to 130 00:06:21,830 --> 00:06:19,800 contact 131 00:06:23,830 --> 00:06:21,840 extraterrestrial life 132 00:06:24,770 --> 00:06:23,840 february 3rd which is almost its 133 00:06:28,309 --> 00:06:24,780 anniversary 134 00:06:33,990 --> 00:06:30,629 pretty crazy huh 135 00:06:35,430 --> 00:06:34,000 so yeah 136 00:06:36,510 --> 00:06:35,440 so you'll have to check this out this is 137 00:06:38,309 --> 00:06:36,520 actually on my website 138 00:06:39,749 --> 00:06:38,319 witnesscitizen.com so you can check this 139 00:06:43,350 --> 00:06:39,759 stuff out for yourself 140 00:06:45,189 --> 00:06:43,360 um but it's definitely interesting 141 00:06:51,029 --> 00:06:45,199 what is the nature of life what is the 142 00:06:55,990 --> 00:06:54,309 with so many stars some of them at least 143 00:06:57,510 --> 00:06:56,000 must have some planets etcetera it's 144 00:07:01,510 --> 00:06:57,520 impossible at the present time to prove 145 00:07:03,110 --> 00:07:01,520 or disprove the existence of planets 146 00:07:04,870 --> 00:07:03,120 the size of earth even around the 147 00:07:06,790 --> 00:07:04,880 nearest stars let alone life on these 148 00:07:07,420 --> 00:07:06,800 planets so why are you doing this little 149 00:07:10,629 --> 00:07:07,430 study 150 00:07:14,950 --> 00:07:12,629 pretty interesting 151 00:07:17,350 --> 00:07:14,960 so that's the just kind of 152 00:07:19,110 --> 00:07:17,360 taking in a little bit just to kind of 153 00:07:21,589 --> 00:07:19,120 show you what this project white store 154 00:07:23,189 --> 00:07:21,599 did for the air force 155 00:07:25,189 --> 00:07:23,199 you can see here in this respect 156 00:07:26,790 --> 00:07:25,199 scientists are in exactly the same 157 00:07:28,950 --> 00:07:26,800 position as their predecessors one in 158 00:07:31,110 --> 00:07:28,960 the 18th century or even the ancient 159 00:07:32,710 --> 00:07:31,120 greeks 2 000 years ago the only 160 00:07:34,469 --> 00:07:32,720 difference is considered extremely 161 00:07:36,629 --> 00:07:34,479 significant by the proponents of life in 162 00:07:38,309 --> 00:07:36,639 the universe is modern of man's 163 00:07:40,870 --> 00:07:38,319 possession of radio communication 164 00:07:43,029 --> 00:07:40,880 techniques capable of reaching out to 1 165 00:07:45,430 --> 00:07:43,039 000 light years or more 166 00:07:48,150 --> 00:07:45,440 that's pretty far 167 00:07:51,189 --> 00:07:49,510 what's kind of interesting when i look 168 00:07:53,749 --> 00:07:51,199 at this though is 169 00:07:56,230 --> 00:07:53,759 you know um at the time i'm sure they 170 00:07:57,350 --> 00:07:56,240 thought if we're gonna find et life now 171 00:07:59,270 --> 00:07:57,360 would be a good time because our 172 00:08:00,710 --> 00:07:59,280 technology is so advanced so much more 173 00:08:02,390 --> 00:08:00,720 than it was before 174 00:08:06,309 --> 00:08:02,400 and probably that's exactly what we're 175 00:08:06,319 --> 00:08:10,830 interesting 176 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:15,189 very so 177 00:08:20,790 --> 00:08:16,070 the 178 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:22,070 is 179 00:08:39,670 --> 00:08:29,890 star 180 00:08:41,269 --> 00:08:39,680 [Music] 181 00:08:43,750 --> 00:08:41,279 and here it is 182 00:08:46,070 --> 00:08:43,760 so we have syracuse new york this case 183 00:08:48,430 --> 00:08:46,080 is um what looks like the memorandum at 184 00:08:51,910 --> 00:08:48,440 least was july 12 185 00:08:54,550 --> 00:08:51,920 1960 subject possible foreign space 186 00:08:55,670 --> 00:08:54,560 object 187 00:08:57,110 --> 00:08:55,680 they were 188 00:08:58,790 --> 00:08:57,120 just right here as you requested 189 00:09:00,070 --> 00:08:58,800 returning here within the subject 190 00:09:02,310 --> 00:09:00,080 samples 191 00:09:04,150 --> 00:09:02,320 screw up a little bit it gives you a 192 00:09:08,230 --> 00:09:04,160 little bit more 193 00:09:09,990 --> 00:09:08,240 insight on what was going on 194 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:10,000 so we have 195 00:09:13,910 --> 00:09:12,210 um right here 196 00:09:15,670 --> 00:09:13,920 [Music] 197 00:09:18,150 --> 00:09:15,680 it is suggested that the two samples be 198 00:09:21,670 --> 00:09:18,160 subjected to a preliminary investigation 199 00:09:23,990 --> 00:09:21,680 consisting of a microstructural analysis 200 00:09:26,310 --> 00:09:24,000 and depending on the results obtained 201 00:09:28,310 --> 00:09:26,320 a spectrographic analysis for 202 00:09:29,829 --> 00:09:28,320 composition at the conclusion of this 203 00:09:32,230 --> 00:09:29,839 investigation the results would be 204 00:09:33,910 --> 00:09:32,240 integrated and reported to attic along 205 00:09:35,829 --> 00:09:33,920 with recommendations if any for 206 00:09:37,110 --> 00:09:35,839 additional investigation and a cost 207 00:09:37,910 --> 00:09:37,120 estimate 208 00:09:39,350 --> 00:09:37,920 uh 209 00:09:40,710 --> 00:09:39,360 so they're talking about how much this 210 00:09:43,509 --> 00:09:40,720 is gonna cost 211 00:09:46,949 --> 00:09:43,519 so in here project white stork 212 00:09:48,630 --> 00:09:46,959 pws is what it's called 213 00:09:51,350 --> 00:09:48,640 so you can see that right on the last 214 00:09:54,550 --> 00:09:51,360 line line number three before proceeding 215 00:09:57,430 --> 00:09:54,560 with such examination pws 216 00:09:58,870 --> 00:09:57,440 will await authorization 217 00:10:01,670 --> 00:09:58,880 so you can see how this is going they 218 00:10:05,910 --> 00:10:01,680 would get things like this 219 00:10:08,150 --> 00:10:05,920 from ufo investigations and they would 220 00:10:09,910 --> 00:10:08,160 contract them out to be analyzed and 221 00:10:12,230 --> 00:10:09,920 looked at so the reason why this is 222 00:10:15,509 --> 00:10:12,240 important to me is because when we talk 223 00:10:17,190 --> 00:10:15,519 about ufo fragments or crashes or 224 00:10:18,790 --> 00:10:17,200 or anything like that 225 00:10:20,870 --> 00:10:18,800 is it in the hands of the government is 226 00:10:22,630 --> 00:10:20,880 it in the hands of a private corporation 227 00:10:24,710 --> 00:10:22,640 well this is an example of how it could 228 00:10:26,310 --> 00:10:24,720 very well be in the hands of a private 229 00:10:27,430 --> 00:10:26,320 corporation 230 00:10:28,470 --> 00:10:27,440 because 231 00:10:34,470 --> 00:10:28,480 you know 232 00:10:38,630 --> 00:10:37,269 since the cost of the pws analysis the 233 00:10:40,310 --> 00:10:38,640 sample enclosed with the first 234 00:10:41,509 --> 00:10:40,320 endorsement would have to be defrayed by 235 00:10:44,710 --> 00:10:41,519 material 236 00:10:46,710 --> 00:10:44,720 p at css it is requested that pws return 237 00:10:49,990 --> 00:10:46,720 the samples to this office 238 00:10:53,390 --> 00:10:50,000 but you'll see that sometimes maybe 239 00:10:57,509 --> 00:10:55,990 [Music] 240 00:10:59,509 --> 00:10:57,519 so this is 241 00:11:01,350 --> 00:10:59,519 just a little further it's requested pws 242 00:11:02,470 --> 00:11:01,360 furnished composition analysis for each 243 00:11:05,030 --> 00:11:02,480 sample 244 00:11:06,790 --> 00:11:05,040 if the composition analysis 245 00:11:09,190 --> 00:11:06,800 indicate that these samples could have 246 00:11:11,750 --> 00:11:09,200 been from sputnik 4 247 00:11:13,990 --> 00:11:11,760 uh photo micrographs and interpretations 248 00:11:19,829 --> 00:11:14,000 of the photomicrograph should be made to 249 00:11:23,509 --> 00:11:21,269 yes 250 00:11:25,829 --> 00:11:23,519 that's a good point robert 251 00:11:28,630 --> 00:11:25,839 if cin 252 00:11:29,509 --> 00:11:28,640 that right is adequate right yes that's 253 00:11:31,990 --> 00:11:29,519 correct 254 00:11:34,470 --> 00:11:32,000 and the different subdivisions 255 00:11:36,230 --> 00:11:34,480 were many 256 00:11:38,230 --> 00:11:36,240 you can't see here they're at the bottom 257 00:11:40,069 --> 00:11:38,240 philip evans colonel united states air 258 00:11:43,030 --> 00:11:40,079 force afc i n 259 00:11:44,389 --> 00:11:43,040 4 e 260 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:44,399 let me tell you 261 00:11:49,590 --> 00:11:47,210 that's a short one 262 00:11:51,509 --> 00:11:49,600 [Music] 263 00:11:52,790 --> 00:11:51,519 you can also see here 264 00:11:55,350 --> 00:11:52,800 the bottom right hand corner box 265 00:11:58,389 --> 00:11:55,360 containing two items one metallic and 266 00:12:02,069 --> 00:11:58,399 one non-metallic 267 00:12:03,990 --> 00:12:02,079 now this is interesting to me because of 268 00:12:06,550 --> 00:12:04,000 what gary nolan's looking at and how 269 00:12:10,550 --> 00:12:06,560 it's referred to which is 270 00:12:14,470 --> 00:12:12,710 and then here again you know on uh 271 00:12:17,110 --> 00:12:14,480 robert's point up here 272 00:12:22,150 --> 00:12:17,120 uh point number two we have afca and for 273 00:12:25,670 --> 00:12:24,629 so here we can read it oh yes and of 274 00:12:27,110 --> 00:12:25,680 course 275 00:12:29,269 --> 00:12:27,120 i didn't even think of this this is 276 00:12:40,069 --> 00:12:29,279 another moon dust case 277 00:12:41,829 --> 00:12:40,079 uh it's kind of cruel to me 278 00:12:42,700 --> 00:12:41,839 doesn't have 279 00:12:44,230 --> 00:12:42,710 so here we go 280 00:12:47,350 --> 00:12:44,240 [Music] 281 00:12:49,910 --> 00:12:47,360 we have afcin-4e2x 282 00:12:52,230 --> 00:12:49,920 major friend 283 00:12:54,470 --> 00:12:52,240 on the 25th of june 1960 molten 284 00:12:56,949 --> 00:12:54,480 substance fell in the area of syracuse 285 00:12:58,790 --> 00:12:56,959 new york these objects were turned over 286 00:13:00,629 --> 00:12:58,800 to the intelligence officer 26 air 287 00:13:04,150 --> 00:13:00,639 division syracuse and were further 288 00:13:06,310 --> 00:13:04,160 forwarded to afc and 4a so how many afc 289 00:13:09,110 --> 00:13:06,320 is 290 00:13:13,430 --> 00:13:09,120 we've got a legboard 291 00:13:15,430 --> 00:13:13,440 um as possible moondust hardware this 292 00:13:17,350 --> 00:13:15,440 date 25th of june coincides with the 293 00:13:20,870 --> 00:13:17,360 approximate re-entry and disintegration 294 00:13:31,750 --> 00:13:20,880 of the sputnik 4 carrier vehicle 295 00:13:35,910 --> 00:13:33,750 so here we go 296 00:13:36,730 --> 00:13:35,920 we have no capability to evaluate 297 00:13:38,230 --> 00:13:36,740 material 298 00:13:40,230 --> 00:13:38,240 [Music] 299 00:13:41,829 --> 00:13:40,240 at this headquarters if further if 300 00:13:45,590 --> 00:13:41,839 further information is desired for 301 00:13:49,110 --> 00:13:45,600 person whose property these items fell 302 00:13:51,350 --> 00:13:49,120 such information could be obtained 303 00:13:53,269 --> 00:13:51,360 so here they're saying basically 304 00:13:56,550 --> 00:13:53,279 we can't do it here at wright patterson 305 00:13:58,069 --> 00:13:56,560 at the air force we have to um you know 306 00:14:00,629 --> 00:13:58,079 contract this out 307 00:14:03,189 --> 00:14:00,639 and we already saw what that looked like 308 00:14:04,290 --> 00:14:03,199 300 bucks 309 00:14:06,470 --> 00:14:04,300 pretty crazy huh 310 00:14:09,060 --> 00:14:06,480 [Music] 311 00:14:12,150 --> 00:14:09,070 300 bucks 312 00:14:14,550 --> 00:14:12,160 [Music] 313 00:14:16,790 --> 00:14:14,560 so it is requesting the physical 314 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:16,800 evidence for the ufo sighting the 25th 315 00:14:20,410 --> 00:14:24,949 [Music] 316 00:14:28,870 --> 00:14:26,710 we have a couple notes on this items are 317 00:14:30,949 --> 00:14:28,880 too late to be meteorites materials will 318 00:14:33,829 --> 00:14:30,959 be held here until instructions are 319 00:14:36,150 --> 00:14:33,839 received as to where they should be sent 320 00:14:38,790 --> 00:14:36,160 sent for analysis objects were tested by 321 00:14:42,290 --> 00:14:38,800 base medical personnel are not believed 322 00:14:47,189 --> 00:14:46,310 [Music] 323 00:14:48,790 --> 00:14:47,199 so 324 00:14:51,509 --> 00:14:48,800 you know again another thing that's 325 00:14:53,430 --> 00:14:51,519 talked about when uh gary nolan um in 326 00:14:54,470 --> 00:14:53,440 his last interview he talks about 327 00:14:56,389 --> 00:14:54,480 um 328 00:14:59,110 --> 00:14:56,399 you know the some of the substance that 329 00:15:01,590 --> 00:14:59,120 he has is he discusses how the witness 330 00:15:03,670 --> 00:15:01,600 described it coming out of the object 331 00:15:05,990 --> 00:15:03,680 like a molten 332 00:15:12,710 --> 00:15:06,000 type object 333 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:21,509 uh the docs are unclassified yes 334 00:15:24,470 --> 00:15:22,470 so 335 00:15:27,030 --> 00:15:24,480 yeah good catch robert once again with 336 00:15:31,990 --> 00:15:27,040 cosmetic 337 00:15:37,350 --> 00:15:34,840 and the recovery of space objects 338 00:15:39,350 --> 00:15:37,360 [Music] 339 00:15:40,949 --> 00:15:39,360 project space track 340 00:15:43,269 --> 00:15:40,959 here i haven't been able to find 341 00:15:44,470 --> 00:15:43,279 anything in particular on project space 342 00:15:46,870 --> 00:15:44,480 track 343 00:15:48,629 --> 00:15:46,880 [Music] 344 00:15:53,110 --> 00:15:48,639 but you can see here also who is 345 00:15:58,870 --> 00:15:54,870 norad 346 00:16:03,430 --> 00:16:01,269 for sure and they were done and recorded 347 00:16:06,829 --> 00:16:03,440 by way of something called a service 348 00:16:09,430 --> 00:16:06,839 report c-i-r-v-i-s 349 00:16:12,150 --> 00:16:09,440 so back to the molten stuff subject moon 350 00:16:13,749 --> 00:16:12,160 does two pieces of molten unidentifiable 351 00:16:15,590 --> 00:16:13,759 material fell 352 00:16:18,710 --> 00:16:15,600 at the home of 353 00:16:23,749 --> 00:16:20,949 reportedly one piece struck the small 354 00:16:30,310 --> 00:16:23,759 sun on his boot or shoe 355 00:16:34,710 --> 00:16:31,749 stuck the guy 356 00:16:35,829 --> 00:16:34,720 on his booty shoe 357 00:16:37,990 --> 00:16:35,839 this 358 00:16:40,550 --> 00:16:38,000 size of smaller object is approximately 359 00:16:42,949 --> 00:16:40,560 that of a lemon it's apparently metallic 360 00:16:44,870 --> 00:16:42,959 but is a fairly light density second 361 00:16:46,470 --> 00:16:44,880 object is approximately six inches in 362 00:16:48,150 --> 00:16:46,480 length for inches in width and two 363 00:16:50,470 --> 00:16:48,160 inches thickness has extremely light 364 00:16:52,949 --> 00:16:50,480 density and appears to be made up 365 00:16:56,069 --> 00:16:52,959 of at least three different substances 366 00:16:57,590 --> 00:16:56,079 all show signs of subjection to extreme 367 00:16:59,350 --> 00:16:57,600 heat 368 00:17:01,189 --> 00:16:59,360 based personnel who have had opportunity 369 00:17:03,590 --> 00:17:01,199 to handle portions of meteorites believe 370 00:17:05,029 --> 00:17:03,600 both of these items are too light to be 371 00:17:07,870 --> 00:17:05,039 meteorites so we're going backwards a 372 00:17:14,630 --> 00:17:10,789 [Music] 373 00:17:18,710 --> 00:17:15,429 so 374 00:17:20,309 --> 00:17:18,720 here we have the actual breakdown of the 375 00:17:21,909 --> 00:17:20,319 chemical composition which i'm not 376 00:17:25,029 --> 00:17:21,919 really 377 00:17:27,510 --> 00:17:25,039 you know privy to it any education as 378 00:17:29,190 --> 00:17:27,520 far as that goes 379 00:17:30,789 --> 00:17:29,200 you know what i'm looking at i mean i 380 00:17:31,990 --> 00:17:30,799 know what the stuff is but 381 00:17:33,430 --> 00:17:32,000 i don't know if that means it's going to 382 00:17:34,950 --> 00:17:33,440 be weird or not 383 00:17:37,909 --> 00:17:34,960 i do remember 384 00:17:39,669 --> 00:17:37,919 some of these things in samples 385 00:17:41,669 --> 00:17:39,679 that other people have talked about that 386 00:17:43,270 --> 00:17:41,679 they're not sure what they are but also 387 00:17:45,350 --> 00:17:43,280 what's included when they discuss those 388 00:17:48,789 --> 00:17:45,360 is the percentage of 389 00:17:51,029 --> 00:17:48,799 each you know mineral so to speak or 390 00:17:53,430 --> 00:17:51,039 or whatever 391 00:17:55,430 --> 00:17:53,440 so we got the factual data here 392 00:17:57,909 --> 00:17:55,440 two samples form material received in 393 00:17:58,950 --> 00:17:57,919 the sign physics laboratory numbers blah 394 00:18:01,190 --> 00:17:58,960 blah blah 395 00:18:03,990 --> 00:18:01,200 samples are analyzed by emission 396 00:18:06,150 --> 00:18:04,000 infrared x-ray diffraction mission 397 00:18:08,310 --> 00:18:06,160 analysis provided the static principle 398 00:18:12,390 --> 00:18:08,320 is calcium 399 00:18:17,029 --> 00:18:15,270 yeah we see those a lot 400 00:18:19,430 --> 00:18:17,039 titanium iron 401 00:18:21,909 --> 00:18:19,440 uh minor barium traces nickel copper 402 00:18:24,150 --> 00:18:21,919 sodium silver 403 00:18:26,470 --> 00:18:24,160 um samples were recorded and placed on 404 00:18:29,350 --> 00:18:26,480 file it revealed no significant 405 00:18:33,190 --> 00:18:29,360 absorption bands all carbon hydrogen 406 00:18:37,740 --> 00:18:34,950 see i unfortunately i don't know what 407 00:18:42,470 --> 00:18:37,750 any of that means 408 00:18:46,230 --> 00:18:44,310 yeah it's supposed to be there 409 00:18:48,630 --> 00:18:46,240 [Music] 410 00:18:51,029 --> 00:18:48,640 it's supposed to be there 411 00:18:53,190 --> 00:18:51,039 i'm trying to you know spice it up it's 412 00:18:55,669 --> 00:18:53,200 just a little too boring i feel like 413 00:18:58,630 --> 00:18:55,679 i'll just be talking 414 00:19:01,510 --> 00:19:01,270 it's kind of creepy it's like ufo stuff 415 00:19:07,270 --> 00:19:01,520 right 416 00:19:10,789 --> 00:19:08,470 i think 417 00:19:11,630 --> 00:19:10,799 but you know it could be 418 00:19:14,789 --> 00:19:11,640 it could be just me 419 00:19:17,190 --> 00:19:14,799 [Music] 420 00:19:19,430 --> 00:19:17,200 uh here we go this person solomon broke 421 00:19:22,390 --> 00:19:19,440 shoulder captain united states air force 422 00:19:24,310 --> 00:19:22,400 chief organic analysis section physics 423 00:19:28,150 --> 00:19:24,320 laboratory materials lab 424 00:19:32,390 --> 00:19:29,830 we have some interesting distribution 425 00:19:34,630 --> 00:19:32,400 places here wwrcp 426 00:19:37,270 --> 00:19:34,640 i'm not sure what that is 427 00:19:38,549 --> 00:19:37,280 oh we know what it is actually don't we 428 00:19:39,990 --> 00:19:38,559 it's this guy 429 00:19:51,190 --> 00:19:40,000 nope that's wade jones 430 00:19:58,310 --> 00:19:52,710 what does that mean for possible 431 00:20:05,830 --> 00:20:00,390 and here we go look at this physical 432 00:20:08,870 --> 00:20:07,270 interesting uh 433 00:20:10,310 --> 00:20:08,880 two pieces of molten substance once 434 00:20:12,870 --> 00:20:10,320 appearing to be metallic one-piece 435 00:20:14,789 --> 00:20:12,880 stroke boot of small child light density 436 00:20:17,110 --> 00:20:14,799 material forwarded for analysis analysis 437 00:20:19,029 --> 00:20:17,120 from physics lab indicates both pieces 438 00:20:21,590 --> 00:20:19,039 sink composition material believed to be 439 00:20:23,029 --> 00:20:21,600 glass furnace slag 440 00:20:24,870 --> 00:20:23,039 okay 441 00:20:26,390 --> 00:20:24,880 i've learned to not really pay too much 442 00:20:30,230 --> 00:20:26,400 attention to what they put the final 443 00:20:33,350 --> 00:20:31,830 it could be right i wouldn't know i 444 00:20:35,990 --> 00:20:33,360 guess but 445 00:20:37,510 --> 00:20:36,000 you know regardless 446 00:20:40,950 --> 00:20:37,520 i wasn't here thinking it was a ufo 447 00:20:43,590 --> 00:20:41,909 you know 448 00:20:46,830 --> 00:20:43,600 this is about white stork and if there 449 00:20:51,430 --> 00:20:46,840 was a ufo piece um they most 450 00:21:00,630 --> 00:20:53,909 at least at that time 451 00:21:04,710 --> 00:21:03,270 wonderful picture 452 00:21:06,710 --> 00:21:04,720 of 453 00:21:10,789 --> 00:21:06,720 the video here 454 00:21:15,669 --> 00:21:12,950 in that piece so 455 00:21:18,470 --> 00:21:15,679 nothing too crazy about it 456 00:21:20,870 --> 00:21:18,480 but again white star took a look at it 457 00:21:24,710 --> 00:21:20,880 and this kind of gives 458 00:21:28,230 --> 00:21:27,029 one of the reasons they may 459 00:21:29,669 --> 00:21:28,240 you know 460 00:21:31,750 --> 00:21:29,679 care about meteorites and actually 461 00:21:34,390 --> 00:21:31,760 studying them 462 00:21:35,909 --> 00:21:34,400 examination of stone large black stone 463 00:21:37,669 --> 00:21:35,919 reported to be stony meteorite was 464 00:21:39,750 --> 00:21:37,679 received for examination particularly 465 00:21:43,270 --> 00:21:39,760 from the standpoint of aerodynamic lines 466 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:47,990 what could that be used for 467 00:21:52,630 --> 00:21:50,470 vehicle reentry space vehicle re-entry 468 00:21:54,789 --> 00:21:52,640 missiles ballistic missiles the stone 469 00:21:56,230 --> 00:21:54,799 shows no signs of airflow lines such as 470 00:21:57,669 --> 00:21:56,240 our final meteorites the markings 471 00:22:00,149 --> 00:21:57,679 visible on the surface with the stone 472 00:22:02,390 --> 00:22:00,159 represent material in the bedding planes 473 00:22:04,230 --> 00:22:02,400 of sedimentary rock this material has a 474 00:22:05,110 --> 00:22:04,240 hardness somewhat greater than that of a 475 00:22:06,390 --> 00:22:05,120 meteor 476 00:22:08,950 --> 00:22:06,400 thing is 477 00:22:14,950 --> 00:22:08,960 well at least i say it is a meteorite 478 00:22:20,310 --> 00:22:17,110 but 479 00:22:25,750 --> 00:22:20,320 yeah you know they talk about it here 480 00:22:28,950 --> 00:22:27,270 but you'll see how they kind of change 481 00:22:30,549 --> 00:22:28,960 it 482 00:22:36,710 --> 00:22:30,559 this is funny 483 00:22:42,950 --> 00:22:38,710 got it funny a handwritten letter hard 484 00:22:45,990 --> 00:22:44,470 the object which at first glance 485 00:22:48,070 --> 00:22:46,000 appeared to be a meteorite was submitted 486 00:22:50,149 --> 00:22:48,080 to analysis the results of which 487 00:22:52,149 --> 00:22:50,159 completely discounts the meteorite 488 00:22:53,669 --> 00:22:52,159 possibility the tentative conclusions 489 00:22:56,230 --> 00:22:53,679 are that the stone is not a meteorite 490 00:22:57,830 --> 00:22:56,240 but most probably a volcanic 491 00:23:00,149 --> 00:22:57,840 bomb 492 00:23:03,350 --> 00:23:00,159 thrown from the throat of an active 493 00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:03,360 volcano somewhere to the north and east 494 00:23:13,110 --> 00:23:05,520 of its final resting place 495 00:23:16,870 --> 00:23:14,789 it is not improbable that it was 496 00:23:19,830 --> 00:23:16,880 transported to the spot of discovery by 497 00:23:22,390 --> 00:23:19,840 any of the several glaciers which passed 498 00:23:24,230 --> 00:23:22,400 over the volcanic area of the canadian 499 00:23:25,510 --> 00:23:24,240 shield appalachian 500 00:23:26,870 --> 00:23:25,520 uh 501 00:23:28,390 --> 00:23:26,880 i can't read that 502 00:23:29,830 --> 00:23:28,400 dystrophic region 503 00:23:31,510 --> 00:23:29,840 we shall hold the stone pending 504 00:23:33,990 --> 00:23:31,520 instructions from you regarding its 505 00:23:39,830 --> 00:23:34,000 disposal the air force wishes to extend 506 00:23:43,909 --> 00:23:41,510 yeah here it is 507 00:23:46,470 --> 00:23:43,919 it's kind of a crappy picture but um i 508 00:23:47,990 --> 00:23:46,480 do have the good pictures on my website 509 00:23:51,190 --> 00:23:48,000 under blue book photos if you're 510 00:23:52,390 --> 00:23:51,200 interested in looking 511 00:23:55,190 --> 00:23:52,400 yeah those 512 00:23:59,510 --> 00:23:55,200 passive aggressive emails existed in 513 00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:01,029 funny 514 00:24:07,669 --> 00:24:05,039 so 515 00:24:09,909 --> 00:24:07,679 here we go this is interesting 516 00:24:11,590 --> 00:24:09,919 weapons reference 517 00:24:13,269 --> 00:24:11,600 so number one references made to 518 00:24:15,269 --> 00:24:13,279 discussion between captain gregory 519 00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:15,279 relative to the meteorite left in the 520 00:24:20,149 --> 00:24:17,760 air weapon materials branch for 521 00:24:26,710 --> 00:24:20,159 examination why would they put it 522 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:31,590 interesting 523 00:24:35,669 --> 00:24:33,590 the sample in our possession is 524 00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:35,679 unquestionably a meteorite but appears 525 00:24:44,230 --> 00:24:42,310 an examination in this case would have 526 00:24:52,870 --> 00:24:44,240 no intelligence value from the 527 00:24:56,230 --> 00:24:54,390 and we can see at the bottom white stork 528 00:24:58,710 --> 00:24:56,240 will also be asked about the monetary 529 00:25:01,190 --> 00:24:58,720 value of the meteorite 530 00:25:03,110 --> 00:25:01,200 dr h h 531 00:25:05,110 --> 00:25:03,120 i'm not even trying to say that made 532 00:25:07,430 --> 00:25:05,120 american meteorite museum macedonia 533 00:25:08,950 --> 00:25:07,440 arizona could make full assessment of 534 00:25:10,710 --> 00:25:08,960 the dollar value 535 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:10,720 so now they're trying to they're trying 536 00:25:14,370 --> 00:25:12,650 to hawk it for money 537 00:25:16,870 --> 00:25:14,380 [Laughter] 538 00:25:18,470 --> 00:25:16,880 [Music] 539 00:25:23,909 --> 00:25:18,480 it's got no intelligence value how much 540 00:25:23,919 --> 00:25:27,029 so yeah 541 00:25:31,669 --> 00:25:28,630 very interesting 542 00:25:35,029 --> 00:25:31,679 there's a nice drawing of it apparently 543 00:25:37,130 --> 00:25:35,039 but this brings us to 544 00:25:41,590 --> 00:25:37,140 something very interesting 545 00:25:45,750 --> 00:25:44,310 institute studies meteorites for missile 546 00:25:47,110 --> 00:25:45,760 data 547 00:25:49,669 --> 00:25:47,120 what did i say 548 00:25:52,390 --> 00:25:49,679 the remains of unguided missiles which 549 00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:52,400 have been bombarding earth from outer 550 00:25:57,190 --> 00:25:54,880 space since the beginning of time are 551 00:25:59,830 --> 00:25:57,200 being studied by technicians developing 552 00:26:03,430 --> 00:25:59,840 better guided missiles 553 00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:03,440 at the battelle institute in columbus 554 00:26:08,710 --> 00:26:05,520 working for the right air development 555 00:26:12,549 --> 00:26:10,870 technicians are examining meteorites to 556 00:26:13,430 --> 00:26:12,559 see how they survive their descent to 557 00:26:16,070 --> 00:26:13,440 earth 558 00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:16,080 guided missiles traveling at high speeds 559 00:26:20,070 --> 00:26:17,760 in the friction 560 00:26:22,789 --> 00:26:20,080 uh producing atmosphere are subject to 561 00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:22,799 tremendous heat and metallic alloys to 562 00:26:25,909 --> 00:26:24,720 withstand these 563 00:26:27,909 --> 00:26:25,919 temperatures 564 00:26:30,070 --> 00:26:27,919 have to be developed by subjecting the 565 00:26:31,830 --> 00:26:30,080 nickel in iron structures of the 566 00:26:34,149 --> 00:26:31,840 meteorites 567 00:26:36,630 --> 00:26:34,159 to microscopic analysis they hope to be 568 00:26:39,190 --> 00:26:36,640 able to learn how the meteorites heated 569 00:26:43,310 --> 00:26:39,200 patel scientists are getting meteorites 570 00:26:56,630 --> 00:26:47,510 [Music] 571 00:26:58,149 --> 00:26:56,640 institute studies meteorites for missile 572 00:26:59,110 --> 00:26:58,159 data so 573 00:27:01,750 --> 00:26:59,120 uh 574 00:27:02,530 --> 00:27:01,760 maybe a part of um 575 00:27:05,029 --> 00:27:02,540 moon dance 576 00:27:08,710 --> 00:27:05,039 [Music] 577 00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:10,630 and you know how much effort they put 578 00:27:20,070 --> 00:27:18,090 would be 579 00:27:22,470 --> 00:27:20,080 [Music] 580 00:27:26,940 --> 00:27:22,480 they were studying them 581 00:27:26,950 --> 00:27:39,909 [Music] 582 00:27:39,919 --> 00:27:44,310 pretty interesting 583 00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:46,830 press one if you think sean looks 584 00:27:54,149 --> 00:27:50,080 like tom hardy 585 00:27:57,669 --> 00:27:56,430 hopefully he's not a 586 00:28:00,950 --> 00:27:57,679 [Music] 587 00:28:03,990 --> 00:28:00,960 real goofy looking guy oh this guy 588 00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:04,000 look like this guy huh 589 00:28:09,660 --> 00:28:06,720 i don't know 590 00:28:13,190 --> 00:28:11,590 [Music] 591 00:28:16,310 --> 00:28:13,200 it could 592 00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:16,320 could could be 593 00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:18,000 he's got a lot more money than me so 594 00:28:23,269 --> 00:28:19,760 i'll take it i'll look like tom hardy if 595 00:28:23,279 --> 00:28:26,310 um so yeah 596 00:28:30,070 --> 00:28:28,070 you know um 597 00:28:33,590 --> 00:28:30,080 nothing too exciting there other than 598 00:28:39,830 --> 00:28:35,350 other than that 599 00:28:42,630 --> 00:28:39,840 which i particularly find interesting 600 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:42,640 you know to know that a part of 601 00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:46,650 blue book or ufo studies 602 00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:48,000 [Music] 603 00:28:51,510 --> 00:28:49,440 um could have been for weapons 604 00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:51,520 applications oh we got a real cool guy 605 00:28:55,430 --> 00:28:53,520 here what is the point of this guy 606 00:28:59,029 --> 00:28:55,440 ronald clement 607 00:29:01,269 --> 00:28:59,039 wow look at you 608 00:29:03,669 --> 00:29:01,279 i don't know 609 00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:03,679 what do you think 610 00:29:15,990 --> 00:29:09,269 but if there isn't there definitely 611 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:20,710 and i'm putting you in a timeout sir 612 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,230 um let me know robert 613 00:29:31,590 --> 00:29:27,430 this one 614 00:29:34,789 --> 00:29:31,600 howard cross yeah 615 00:29:36,310 --> 00:29:34,799 consider to satisfy the requirements of 616 00:29:37,830 --> 00:29:36,320 the stone is being returned under 617 00:29:44,090 --> 00:29:37,840 separate cover 618 00:29:45,669 --> 00:29:44,100 what does that mean 619 00:29:47,230 --> 00:29:45,679 [Music] 620 00:29:51,430 --> 00:29:47,240 what does that mean 621 00:29:58,710 --> 00:29:53,510 so yeah 622 00:30:04,549 --> 00:30:01,909 that's about it um so 623 00:30:06,950 --> 00:30:04,559 patel that's who it was patel project 624 00:30:10,710 --> 00:30:06,960 white stork 625 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,830 the other things 626 00:30:19,430 --> 00:30:16,070 oh this is interesting robert 627 00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:19,440 i connected him to the roswell medal 628 00:30:26,870 --> 00:30:25,110 the other thing is 629 00:30:29,029 --> 00:30:26,880 so patrick white stark they're looking 630 00:30:31,190 --> 00:30:29,039 at materials for the air force they're 631 00:30:33,750 --> 00:30:31,200 making a study on 632 00:30:35,750 --> 00:30:33,760 the soviet union's 633 00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:35,760 attempt to communicate with 634 00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:38,320 extraterrestrial life if we go back to 635 00:30:43,029 --> 00:30:40,320 some of the reports we looked at before 636 00:30:45,350 --> 00:30:43,039 where the rand project was tasked with 637 00:30:47,350 --> 00:30:45,360 looking at the possibility 638 00:30:48,549 --> 00:30:47,360 of 639 00:30:50,470 --> 00:30:48,559 you know 640 00:30:51,750 --> 00:30:50,480 martians or aliens traveling here from 641 00:30:53,350 --> 00:30:51,760 outer space 642 00:30:55,510 --> 00:30:53,360 it's very interesting that everything 643 00:30:58,789 --> 00:30:55,520 that has to do with extraterrestrials or 644 00:31:02,389 --> 00:30:58,799 outer space or something like that 645 00:31:04,789 --> 00:31:02,399 is contracted out to other companies so 646 00:31:06,310 --> 00:31:04,799 if there is some sort of material or 647 00:31:08,470 --> 00:31:06,320 something like that 648 00:31:10,950 --> 00:31:08,480 i would have 649 00:31:14,230 --> 00:31:10,960 a very easy time thinking 650 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:20,950 of a company 651 00:31:27,350 --> 00:31:24,950 very easy time thinking thinking that 652 00:31:29,269 --> 00:31:27,360 and this isn't really related to 653 00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:29,279 the ufo stuff that i know 654 00:31:33,029 --> 00:31:31,200 but this is just another document that i 655 00:31:35,430 --> 00:31:33,039 found because i wanted to make sure that 656 00:31:37,430 --> 00:31:35,440 i was right when i was saying that pws 657 00:31:40,950 --> 00:31:37,440 project white stork 658 00:31:43,110 --> 00:31:40,960 patel so we got visited at um 659 00:31:45,590 --> 00:31:43,120 project white stork at patel memorial 660 00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:45,600 institute columbus ohio last tuesday 661 00:31:50,389 --> 00:31:48,000 it's literally the only reason that i'm 662 00:31:52,149 --> 00:31:50,399 showing this but it is interesting that 663 00:31:54,389 --> 00:31:52,159 you look a little further 664 00:31:55,990 --> 00:31:54,399 number 10 who is going to pws for the 665 00:31:59,590 --> 00:31:56,000 first time on a project dealing with 666 00:32:04,149 --> 00:31:59,600 soviet research and hyper velocity 667 00:32:06,950 --> 00:32:04,159 dr heineck once gave a talk about ufos 668 00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:06,960 to a hyper velocity conference in 669 00:32:16,549 --> 00:32:12,950 and here we have osi 670 00:32:18,950 --> 00:32:16,559 which is this is c-i-a-c-i-a-o-s-i 671 00:32:20,070 --> 00:32:18,960 is considering providing funds to pws so 672 00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:20,080 that would continue its work in the 673 00:32:28,789 --> 00:32:26,310 now this is interesting because if you 674 00:32:29,669 --> 00:32:28,799 go back to what mr john ramirez talks 675 00:32:41,830 --> 00:32:29,679 about 676 00:32:43,350 --> 00:32:41,840 and who studied this stuff at cia he 677 00:32:44,870 --> 00:32:43,360 said it was in the biosciences or 678 00:32:46,070 --> 00:32:44,880 whatever 679 00:32:49,350 --> 00:32:46,080 right 680 00:32:50,870 --> 00:32:49,360 and now we grab onto pws project white 681 00:32:52,710 --> 00:32:50,880 stork 682 00:32:54,389 --> 00:32:52,720 who we know 683 00:32:56,310 --> 00:32:54,399 was looking at materials and doing 684 00:32:58,070 --> 00:32:56,320 studies of extraterrest communicating 685 00:33:01,029 --> 00:32:58,080 extraterrestrials 686 00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:01,039 so you put this together with that 687 00:33:07,029 --> 00:33:04,320 and it kind of backs up his case 688 00:33:10,870 --> 00:33:09,190 from the cia is considering providing 689 00:33:13,269 --> 00:33:10,880 funds to project white stork so that 690 00:33:15,990 --> 00:33:13,279 will continue its work basic sciences 691 00:33:17,909 --> 00:33:16,000 and possibly in medicine 692 00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:17,919 present they concentrate on subjects of 693 00:33:21,990 --> 00:33:20,240 interest to the air force oh we know air 694 00:33:25,830 --> 00:33:22,000 force's aerospace technical intelligence 695 00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:25,840 center right patterson field 696 00:33:37,509 --> 00:33:35,750 and you know the other thing that we can 697 00:33:39,430 --> 00:33:37,519 think of is 698 00:33:41,669 --> 00:33:39,440 this is 1960. 699 00:33:45,269 --> 00:33:41,679 we just looked at report in 1967 the air 700 00:33:47,830 --> 00:33:45,279 force working with him and white stork 701 00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:47,840 you know patel has been working with the 702 00:33:52,310 --> 00:33:49,919 air force since i think robert was right 703 00:33:59,029 --> 00:33:52,320 in like 1949 704 00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:01,110 so this was more so 705 00:34:07,029 --> 00:34:05,120 i'm just looking at this to make sure 706 00:34:08,950 --> 00:34:07,039 [Music] 707 00:34:13,589 --> 00:34:08,960 that we don't miss anything 708 00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:15,589 i don't think we got much else here to 709 00:34:21,430 --> 00:34:20,710 yeah so 710 00:34:23,050 --> 00:34:21,440 but 711 00:34:25,030 --> 00:34:23,060 i found that pretty good 712 00:34:37,190 --> 00:34:25,040 [Music] 713 00:34:39,829 --> 00:34:38,950 uh if they do or if it's hinted that 714 00:34:40,180 --> 00:34:39,839 they do 715 00:34:41,430 --> 00:34:40,190 um 716 00:34:44,629 --> 00:34:41,440 [Music] 717 00:34:46,310 --> 00:34:44,639 well either way i would 718 00:34:49,510 --> 00:34:46,320 i would buy that for sure 719 00:34:51,829 --> 00:34:49,520 anything extra or in the docs or meta 720 00:34:55,669 --> 00:34:51,839 materials yeah i didn't really think so 721 00:34:58,630 --> 00:34:57,670 you know the documents i'm showing i'm 722 00:35:01,270 --> 00:34:58,640 just 723 00:35:03,270 --> 00:35:01,280 more showing you that 724 00:35:04,150 --> 00:35:03,280 um 725 00:35:08,069 --> 00:35:04,160 you know 726 00:35:18,630 --> 00:35:11,510 they were definitely looking for it 727 00:35:22,150 --> 00:35:20,870 so 728 00:35:24,310 --> 00:35:22,160 yeah 729 00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:24,320 that's 730 00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:31,510 um 731 00:35:41,910 --> 00:35:37,349 show you i kind of ran through that 732 00:35:47,109 --> 00:35:44,950 there was one pretty good 733 00:35:50,069 --> 00:35:47,119 um 734 00:35:55,750 --> 00:35:50,079 there's one pretty good sighting that 735 00:36:00,150 --> 00:35:58,390 that if i can find it would be 736 00:36:02,870 --> 00:36:00,160 definitely worth 737 00:36:05,430 --> 00:36:02,880 taking a look at 738 00:36:08,310 --> 00:36:05,440 because it's unidentified 739 00:36:10,630 --> 00:36:08,320 and there was some pretty great 740 00:36:12,790 --> 00:36:10,640 back and forth 741 00:36:15,349 --> 00:36:12,800 going on 742 00:36:19,829 --> 00:36:15,359 um pretty masterful actually and it was 743 00:36:24,829 --> 00:36:21,829 and navy sightings are always 744 00:36:30,550 --> 00:36:24,839 interesting to me i don't know about 745 00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:32,150 so 746 00:36:36,470 --> 00:36:34,160 if i can find that 747 00:36:40,630 --> 00:36:36,480 we can look at that one 748 00:36:48,230 --> 00:36:43,829 and basically the air force got reamed 749 00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:53,750 but yeah here it is i found it 750 00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:55,670 um 751 00:36:59,190 --> 00:36:57,760 let me ask you does music make a 752 00:37:00,630 --> 00:36:59,200 difference to you or not because it's 753 00:37:02,470 --> 00:37:00,640 kind of a pain in the ass doing the 754 00:37:03,910 --> 00:37:02,480 music thing so if it's 755 00:37:06,310 --> 00:37:03,920 not 756 00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:06,320 making it much of a difference i could 757 00:37:19,030 --> 00:37:16,470 i could probably just keep it 758 00:37:20,870 --> 00:37:19,040 you know i have to make my own so keep 759 00:37:28,630 --> 00:37:20,880 that in mind 760 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,230 you know 761 00:37:32,240 --> 00:37:36,150 okay 762 00:37:38,470 --> 00:37:37,190 um 763 00:37:40,950 --> 00:37:38,480 so 764 00:37:43,829 --> 00:37:40,960 this is pretty good 765 00:37:48,829 --> 00:37:43,839 this is pretty pretty pretty pretty good 766 00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:51,430 here i don't think that music helps much 767 00:38:04,710 --> 00:37:57,510 i can barely hear it is it that loud 768 00:38:04,720 --> 00:38:09,270 okay 769 00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:10,950 let me know if that's any better 770 00:38:19,109 --> 00:38:13,760 all right so 771 00:38:24,069 --> 00:38:21,589 june 27th 772 00:38:26,510 --> 00:38:24,079 um wait let me double check 773 00:38:29,510 --> 00:38:26,520 uh september 14th 774 00:38:32,710 --> 00:38:29,520 correspondence so this is a heineken 775 00:38:34,390 --> 00:38:32,720 letter to the person 776 00:38:36,790 --> 00:38:34,400 which is kind of interesting because 777 00:38:40,950 --> 00:38:36,800 there's a part in here 778 00:38:47,030 --> 00:38:43,750 he actually talks about how 779 00:38:48,710 --> 00:38:47,040 he believes that dr heineck believes 780 00:38:56,150 --> 00:38:48,720 that 781 00:39:00,630 --> 00:38:57,829 as far as you know some of these things 782 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:04,390 other than that it's kind of a 783 00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:06,790 actually kind of a mean letter that he 784 00:39:16,950 --> 00:39:15,109 um so actually let me see if i can just 785 00:39:21,589 --> 00:39:16,960 find 786 00:39:21,599 --> 00:39:27,109 spaceships 787 00:39:32,790 --> 00:39:30,710 yeah so this is from heineck he goes 788 00:39:39,589 --> 00:39:32,800 you can see that where it's uh labeled 789 00:39:44,230 --> 00:39:42,310 so i have while i just uh so major 790 00:39:45,910 --> 00:39:44,240 quintilla doesn't happen to think that 791 00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:45,920 there is any mystery behind the ufo 792 00:39:49,030 --> 00:39:47,520 phenomenon while i 793 00:39:51,109 --> 00:39:49,040 think that there is probably something 794 00:39:52,230 --> 00:39:51,119 of scientific interest even just 795 00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:52,240 possibly 796 00:40:07,990 --> 00:40:03,030 kim levin 797 00:40:11,349 --> 00:40:08,790 so 798 00:40:14,069 --> 00:40:11,359 a contractor for blue book is telling 799 00:40:20,790 --> 00:40:14,079 someone that he thinks quite possibly 800 00:40:24,550 --> 00:40:22,470 he didn't say that after he left blue 801 00:40:28,150 --> 00:40:24,560 book 802 00:40:33,190 --> 00:40:30,870 he was currently contracted with project 803 00:40:34,790 --> 00:40:33,200 blue book 804 00:40:37,349 --> 00:40:34,800 and he said he thought 805 00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:37,359 that some of these ufos could quite 806 00:40:48,150 --> 00:40:38,640 possibly be 807 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,670 i think that's a pretty big deal 808 00:40:55,349 --> 00:40:53,270 i mean 809 00:40:56,710 --> 00:40:55,359 just think of it today if somebody for 810 00:40:59,109 --> 00:40:56,720 the o 811 00:41:04,550 --> 00:40:59,119 aoi msg 812 00:41:09,829 --> 00:41:07,910 you know wrote a letter to somebody and 813 00:41:11,670 --> 00:41:09,839 said that they think quite possibly it 814 00:41:13,990 --> 00:41:11,680 could be spaceships 815 00:41:22,630 --> 00:41:14,000 and you knew about it you'd be freaking 816 00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:23,910 but 817 00:41:31,990 --> 00:41:25,440 you know this is 818 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:36,630 so this letter is pretty interesting 819 00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:40,630 um and i'm just gonna read it because 820 00:41:53,190 --> 00:41:46,630 just the way he like talks about it and 821 00:41:58,309 --> 00:41:55,750 your question seems to presuppose the 822 00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:58,319 sighting of a common object neglecting 823 00:42:02,390 --> 00:41:59,760 the fact 824 00:42:04,710 --> 00:42:02,400 of the ufo having indeed become a very 825 00:42:06,630 --> 00:42:04,720 common object i would say that if the 826 00:42:08,950 --> 00:42:06,640 phenomenon had appeared to be anything 827 00:42:10,790 --> 00:42:08,960 less than common than a ufo i wouldn't 828 00:42:12,630 --> 00:42:10,800 be spending time on this report i would 829 00:42:15,109 --> 00:42:12,640 be instead putting up shelves out in the 830 00:42:20,069 --> 00:42:16,630 the united states air force pretended 831 00:42:22,390 --> 00:42:20,079 skeptic skepticism is infuriating 832 00:42:24,390 --> 00:42:22,400 the supreme irony of this that even 833 00:42:27,430 --> 00:42:24,400 today after a generation of sharply 834 00:42:30,390 --> 00:42:27,440 increased ufo activity countless capable 835 00:42:32,390 --> 00:42:30,400 fertile ingenuous and productive minds 836 00:42:33,990 --> 00:42:32,400 are wastefully diverted from any 837 00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:34,000 attention to 838 00:42:38,470 --> 00:42:36,720 ufo phenomenon through naive faith that 839 00:42:39,510 --> 00:42:38,480 our military will be the first to 840 00:42:44,790 --> 00:42:39,520 declare 841 00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:44,800 ufo possibility if it were indeed a fact 842 00:42:48,710 --> 00:42:46,160 it should not be thought that this 843 00:42:50,470 --> 00:42:48,720 naivety is an efficient automatic 844 00:42:53,349 --> 00:42:50,480 weeding out process 845 00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:53,359 and if this is your assumption then it 846 00:43:00,150 --> 00:42:56,640 can be an error of 847 00:43:03,030 --> 00:43:00,160 enormously grave consequences 848 00:43:05,349 --> 00:43:03,040 political or social or worldly naivety 849 00:43:07,829 --> 00:43:05,359 cannot be correlated properly with 850 00:43:10,390 --> 00:43:07,839 special scientific talents 851 00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:10,400 it is an incontestable fact that those 852 00:43:15,510 --> 00:43:12,960 major developments in science which were 853 00:43:18,069 --> 00:43:15,520 not arrived at by evolutionary or brute 854 00:43:20,950 --> 00:43:18,079 force or accidental means were born 855 00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:20,960 through momentary inspiration 856 00:43:26,550 --> 00:43:22,960 and that a necessary condition for the 857 00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:26,560 inspiration was obviously freedom from 858 00:43:33,510 --> 00:43:28,480 conviction beforehand that a solution 859 00:43:37,829 --> 00:43:35,589 your apparent notion that you already 860 00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:37,839 have the best heads in the country 861 00:43:43,109 --> 00:43:41,040 working on this i'll be it for 20 862 00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:43,119 uninspired years 863 00:43:47,670 --> 00:43:44,880 and that you can well do without any 864 00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:47,680 suggestions from those 865 00:43:53,030 --> 00:43:50,640 dunderhead nuances who would otherwise 866 00:43:55,430 --> 00:43:53,040 plague you but for their being weeded 867 00:43:58,390 --> 00:43:55,440 out through this idiotic process is as 868 00:44:01,109 --> 00:43:58,400 fine example as can be found of tossing 869 00:44:04,150 --> 00:44:01,119 the baby out with the bath water 870 00:44:06,390 --> 00:44:04,160 i call this your apparent notion 871 00:44:08,710 --> 00:44:06,400 though certainly you have never given 872 00:44:10,870 --> 00:44:08,720 any hint publicly 873 00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:10,880 that it is so 874 00:44:15,990 --> 00:44:13,440 but perhaps through having a need or 875 00:44:18,550 --> 00:44:16,000 preference or desire to believe that we 876 00:44:20,550 --> 00:44:18,560 are not all held in control 877 00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:20,560 by brass children 878 00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:22,800 i choose the notion i hold on at the 879 00:44:30,150 --> 00:44:25,680 basis of its being the least idiotic of 880 00:44:33,910 --> 00:44:31,829 as an article of faith in the united 881 00:44:35,030 --> 00:44:33,920 states air force this is a peculiar 882 00:44:41,030 --> 00:44:35,040 compliment 883 00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:41,040 disbelieving your publicized opinions 884 00:44:44,950 --> 00:44:43,440 i do in a sense believe you know what 885 00:44:46,790 --> 00:44:44,960 you're doing but 886 00:44:49,750 --> 00:44:46,800 charge you with the indefensible 887 00:44:51,990 --> 00:44:49,760 arrogance of presuming that your clique 888 00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:52,000 of workmen who have been laboring now 889 00:44:56,630 --> 00:44:54,160 for 20 long years have been chosen by 890 00:44:59,109 --> 00:44:56,640 yourselves and therefore must be the 891 00:45:01,190 --> 00:44:59,119 best possible choice 892 00:45:02,390 --> 00:45:01,200 allowing for an avalanche of invalid 893 00:45:05,349 --> 00:45:02,400 ideas 894 00:45:07,270 --> 00:45:05,359 and some 30 million a year to consider 895 00:45:09,589 --> 00:45:07,280 and reject them 896 00:45:11,510 --> 00:45:09,599 but in view of the enormous implications 897 00:45:13,430 --> 00:45:11,520 of the solved problems and the 898 00:45:16,309 --> 00:45:13,440 tremendously increased possibility of 899 00:45:20,470 --> 00:45:16,319 their being solved by some of our many 900 00:45:22,870 --> 00:45:20,480 millions who may not be in your present 901 00:45:25,589 --> 00:45:22,880 codery 902 00:45:27,030 --> 00:45:25,599 reason does not permit your exclusion of 903 00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:27,040 those people through your maintaining 904 00:45:32,230 --> 00:45:29,040 their faith in 905 00:45:38,710 --> 00:45:32,240 that no problems of a ufo nature 906 00:45:38,720 --> 00:45:43,829 i don't know 907 00:45:43,839 --> 00:45:48,950 i thought that was pretty good 908 00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:54,150 i thought that was pretty pretty good 909 00:45:54,160 --> 00:46:05,589 so 910 00:46:10,790 --> 00:46:07,589 what was he talking about he was talking 911 00:46:16,150 --> 00:46:12,950 basically a couple navy guys 912 00:46:17,109 --> 00:46:16,160 who were out on a boat 913 00:46:18,390 --> 00:46:17,119 a boat 914 00:46:21,510 --> 00:46:18,400 a ship 915 00:46:31,510 --> 00:46:24,550 ss mount vernon victory is what it's 916 00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:32,710 they came out and they saw a pretty 917 00:46:44,870 --> 00:46:41,990 and the guy was smart he was a radio 918 00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:44,880 engineer and he went into 919 00:46:51,670 --> 00:46:50,790 um but the details are always the same 920 00:46:53,829 --> 00:46:51,680 right 921 00:46:56,470 --> 00:46:53,839 they're always phenomenal 922 00:46:58,470 --> 00:46:56,480 they always get passed to somebody 923 00:47:03,030 --> 00:46:58,480 and then that person always kind of 924 00:47:07,589 --> 00:47:04,950 you know 925 00:47:10,150 --> 00:47:07,599 um tomorrow's show is not going to 926 00:47:13,270 --> 00:47:10,160 happen that person canceled uh they want 927 00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:13,280 to reschedule but i'm not really sure if 928 00:47:21,430 --> 00:47:20,309 we'll find out it has to do with a movie 929 00:47:25,910 --> 00:47:21,440 called 930 00:47:29,589 --> 00:47:27,990 so 931 00:47:30,790 --> 00:47:29,599 i don't know but uh thursday's 932 00:47:33,190 --> 00:47:30,800 interesting we have someone called 933 00:47:35,910 --> 00:47:33,200 robert knight who took photographs of 934 00:47:38,549 --> 00:47:35,920 some of the biggest rock and roll stars 935 00:47:42,549 --> 00:47:38,559 you can imagine tom petty led zeppelin 936 00:47:46,790 --> 00:47:43,910 and 937 00:47:48,390 --> 00:47:46,800 he's had some experiences 938 00:47:50,790 --> 00:47:48,400 that we're gonna talk about 939 00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:50,800 so i'm looking forward to that one 940 00:47:56,390 --> 00:47:53,280 for sure 941 00:47:59,109 --> 00:47:56,400 but um yeah kind of slow in the ufo 942 00:48:01,829 --> 00:47:59,119 world at this point 943 00:48:04,710 --> 00:48:01,839 uh not much happening 944 00:48:08,069 --> 00:48:04,720 uh but you know that can change at any 945 00:48:12,630 --> 00:48:11,030 they can change at any point for sure 946 00:48:16,309 --> 00:48:12,640 um 947 00:48:24,549 --> 00:48:18,390 work on getting in tune with your 948 00:48:30,230 --> 00:48:27,349 maybe that would be a good idea 949 00:48:32,630 --> 00:48:30,240 for myself especially 950 00:48:34,549 --> 00:48:32,640 so i hope you like the a little 951 00:48:38,870 --> 00:48:34,559 information on project white stork i 952 00:48:41,910 --> 00:48:39,829 um 953 00:48:43,829 --> 00:48:41,920 definitely 954 00:48:47,270 --> 00:48:43,839 and yeah i don't know what i'm going to 955 00:48:51,510 --> 00:48:49,270 i'm really not sure 956 00:48:53,750 --> 00:48:51,520 uh but i'll have to think about it i 957 00:48:56,309 --> 00:48:53,760 have to think think think think what i 958 00:48:59,270 --> 00:48:56,319 want to get into next 959 00:49:05,510 --> 00:49:02,870 that being said uh i'm gonna peace out 960 00:49:09,349 --> 00:49:05,520 for the day 961 00:49:09,359 --> 00:49:13,120 check you 962 00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:14,829 [Music] 963 00:49:21,510 --> 00:49:19,440 later i appreciate you guys being here 964 00:49:22,870 --> 00:49:21,520 and i'll see you 965 00:49:25,430 --> 00:49:22,880 freaking 966 00:49:26,470 --> 00:49:25,440 this is kind of an old outro but i like 967 00:49:34,610 --> 00:49:26,480 it